Deer Garden Restaurant

Yep, it's another Chinese set meal, and this time it's at Deer Garden, which serves a mix of Hong Kong style cafe food and combos along with more traditional dinner dishes. I've been here before for lunch, and found their lunch combos to be a great value. You get a huge portion entree plus soup and drink for under 10 dollars.

Today, I was there for their dinner set meal, which includes soup and dessert. They have a 2-item set for $26 and 4-item set for $50, and ended up charging us $37.5 for a 3-item set meal (before tax). Unfortunately, this set meal only comes with 2 bowls of rice, and they charged us an extra $2 to upgrade to a bucket of rice, no refills.

The soup of the day was pork and water chestnut soup. This came in a medium sized bowl, and was rather flavorless. We had seconds simply for the sake of finishing it off and not letting it go to waste.

The first dish to arrive was minced pork with eggplant and salted fish.This was served with a sweet chili garlic sauce and was extremely delicious. Unfortunately, cooking eggplant usually means lots of oil and this dish was soaked in the stuff, but it was so good that we didn't mind. We spooned off whatever oil we could see floating on top, and devoured the rest. This is a favorite dish of mine, and Deer Garden makes an excellent version. One of the best I've ever had.

Our second item was satay beef and vermicelli hotpot.  This was also very delicious. Large chunks of lean sliced beef with onions, green/red bell peppers, garlic, scallions, and pineapple in a hearty satay sauce on top of a large pile of firm, yet tender vermicelli. Although the portion size wasn't small, it paled in comparison to the hotpot dishes served at Rainbow Butterfly, and was more expensive too.

The last main to arrive was the assorted seafod thai spicy style hotpot. This wasn't spicy or very well seasoned at all. It was ok as a soup dish, but wasn't flavorful enough to go on rice. There were chunks of shrimp, mussels, imitation crab sticks, cod, squid, bean curd skins, tomatoes and scallions in a  thin tangy soup. Since it was so watery, we couldn't really pack it to go, and finished it up at the restaurant. We wouldn't order this again.

The dessert of the day was coconut milk tapioca soup. Tapioca soup is usually one of my favorite desserts but unfortunately, this was also very mild and could have used more sugar. Other than that, it was creamy and smooth and not objectionable to eat.

Deer Garden is a great place to get lunch, but for dinner, Rainbow Butterfly nearby is a much better deal. You get a a much larger soup of the day, and a bucket of rice comes as default. Their hotpots are also much larger. 

Pros:
-good lunch combos
-large lunch portions

Cons:
-not expensive but not cheap either
-busy
-understaffed and indifferent service
-some dishes lack seasoning

Notes:
-small parking lot next to restaurant, often packed
-mall parking across the street or park on side streets

Dinner Menus:

dinner set menu 1

dinner set menu 2

 

dinner set menu 3

dinner menu 1

dinner menu 2

dinner menu 3

King's Chinese Cuisine

For the last family dinner before my relatives flew back home, we decided to go to Fraser Court Seafood Restaurant since we haven't been there in years. We dropped in unannoucned without a reservation again like we did previously at Empire Seafood  Restaurant, but had no luck this time. There was a full blown wedding reception in progress and we left hungry.

After much discussion, we finally decided to head to King's Chinese Cuisine. We've been going there for years, and while it's a bit of a dive, the food is consistently good and affordable. We're not the only ones that of that opinion as King's is always packed and this time was no exception. After a short wait, we were seated and once again proceed to order from a set menu in Chinese that I had no part of since I am Chinese illiterate. Even though we have a party of 5, we ordered a 6-person set meal, this time featuring a crab main, at $88.

Unfortunately, they seemed to have forgotten about us as we sat around for a good 20 minutes and had to call the staff multiple times before we were served anything. We were all too eager to dive in when we were finally brought our first dish, an appetizer of jellyfish and pork hock. This is a cold cut dish of shredded and marinated jellyfish and thinly sliced ham hock.The jellyfish was very crisp and both it and the pork was very flavorful.

Next, we were served fish maw soup. This was a very large portion for 6 people and everyone had at least 2 servings each. This had noticeably less chunks of seafood than the other night at Empire, but this was not a surprise since we expect to pay a lot less for this meal. Despite this, the soup was very good and enjoyed by everyone.

After the soup, we were brought the pepper salt fried prawns. This was shell-on shrimp deep fried with lots of chilies, scallions, and garlic. The shell was sliced open at the top to facilitate easy peeling, but was still a bit of a hassle to peel. The flavor profile was very good though. The chilies were sweet and not overly spicy, and there was plenty of garlicy flavor without being overpowering or salty.

We were then brought the live crab. This looked to be poached crab topped with a thin sauce and served on top a bed of egg noodles with ginger and scallions. The essence of the crab was infused into the sauce and made the egg noodles very delicious. However, the sauce was very mild and could have used a touch more seasoning.

The next course to come was fried tofu skin with mushrooms and bok choy. There were osyter, shiitake, and enoki mushrooms served with a thick sauce. The tofu skins and sauce were very sweet and went very well with the tender bok choy. This was a very delicous dish.

The 6th course was cod and broccoli. It again had a thin sauce that was adequately seasoned, and both the fish and broccoli were nice and tender. This is a pretty typically executed dish you can find at other restaurants. Nothing special to say about it other than that it was well executed.

At this point, we were pretty stuffed, so we were quite surprised when the pepper chicken hotpot landed on our table. We didn't think we were going to touch this very much, but we ended up finishing most of it because it was soooo delicious! There were huge chunks of succulent boneless skinless chicken, with pickled red and green bell peppers, and onions. What made this dish successful was the sweet and sour peppery sauce. This was very appetizing and rejuvenated ours right away. The pickled vegetables were crunchy and crisp, and married very well with the tender chicken. Everyone loved this dish!

We ended the meal with the usual red bean soup. This was a very good meal, and dollar for dollar, much better in my opinion than the one we had at Empire the previous night. Not only were the flavors altogether more successful, but we had a lot more to eat as well. If you don't mind the fact that they've probably never renovated in 20 years and that the paint is literally chipping and peeling off some of the walls, King's is a great place for some decently priced Chinese food. Be prepared to wait for a table though. They were especially packed at lunch since they also have dim sum awesomely priced at $2.30.

Pros:
-decent food at reasonable prices
-decent portions
-cheap dim sum

Cons:
-food can take a while to come out
-extremely busy
-you can see the paint peeling off the walls
-service can be sparse due to volume of customers

Notes:
-small parking lot in back.
-ample free street parking nearby

Empire Seafood Restaurant

I've been to Empire twice before.  Each time, it was because my dad found an ad in the newspaper for what he considered a good deal on a seafood set meal, and this time was no different. Well, financially, it was a lot different, because this time I didn't have to pay! Some relatives flew in from overseas, and I get some good company and a good meal. Hooray!

The last two times here cost me $40 and $30 per person respectively for their king crab and lobster dinners. Neither of those experiences really wowed me. It was comparable to other Chinese fine dining in the lower mainland. They do have some unique flavors compared to other expensive Chinese restaurants I've been to, but nothing worth the price point in my opinion. Each time, the centerpiece of the set meal, the seafood, had an underwhelming portion, while the rest of the meal was good and tasty. Lo and behold, we had more of the same this time around.

The unfortunate thing about these set meal dinners at a lot of restaurants is that the menus are written in Chinese characters only, and I can't read these for squat. So, I don't really know what to expect and what everything is called. This time, we had the $128 lobster dinner for 6, but we had a party of 5.

I do know what the first course was though, since this is a common starter for a Chinese meal:  Fish Maw Soup. Empire's version had chunks of crab, shrimp and of course, fish maw in a mild syrupy egg drop soup. This soup is always served with red rice vinegar and white pepper powder on the side, and you season it yourself to taste. I like mine with lots of vinegar, and lots of pepper. Empire's version had lots of real crab, and was delightful to eat. A good start to the meal.

The next course was Peking Duck Wrap. They brought the whole roasted duck out and carve it out in front of you on a side table. You get the skin on top layer of meat, and they take away the rest of the duck. My uncle says they often give you the whole duck when they serve this in Hong Kong, either for the meal or to take home. I've never seen any GVRD restaurants offer this with this dish. The carved duck is served along with some fried rice chips.

What you do with this dish is take the duck, place it on a steamed wrap, garnish with scallions and cucumber, drizzle on some hoisin sauce, then roll up and eat. The duck was roasted to a nice crispness, and nicely fat and moist. The wrapper was also of a good fresh consistency.

Restaurants often give you less wrappers than actual pieces of duck and Empire was no different. I guess they expect you to put more than 1 piece in each wrap, but nobody ever does since it makes you look greedy or foolish if you are left with more wrappers than duck. This isn't a huge problem since the duck is very tasty on its own, and we had a lot left over. They probably would have given us more wrappers if we asked, but we didn't want to fill up on carbs.

Next up was the signature Lobster. This was again an underwhelmingly small specimen. It was cooked in a garlic and ginger sauce, and was the same as other Chinese restaurant lobsters in my opinion. I have to admit that I'm rather indifferent to lobster, crab and other crustaceans in general, so I'm probably a little biased here. I often like the noodles that get served in the sauce much more, and it was disappointing to me that this was just the lobster alone. I wouldn't consider this lobster big enough to satisfy 6 hungry lobster lovers.

We then got served a Fish Stir Fry. We didn't know what type of fish this was, and didn't ask. We just know it wasn't cod. The fish was chopped into nuggets with skin-on and bone-in, fins and everything. Stir fried with onions, garlic, scallions, and a ton of oil. This was incredibly greasy to eat and sat on a pool of oil. If that wasn't bad enough, the fish didn't taste very fresh at all, and had a slightly rotten fish taste to it. Surprisingly, my uncle loved the fish, but nobody else had very much of it.


The next dish was Pork Lettuce Wrap.  I've never liked this dish very much and consider it a cheap overpriced item. It's basically ground pork and chicken stir fried with water chestnuts, onion, garlic, scallions and rice cracker bits. Again, you drizzle on some hoisin sauce, and roll it up to eat, but this time it's on a piece of green lettuce.

For the essential fiber portion of the set meal, we got a plate of Bok Choy and Mushrooms. This was a good assortment of tender mushrooms served on a bed of tender bok choy. I think it was slightly under seasoned and could have used a touch more salt, but was otherwise enjoyable.

The carb portion of this set meal was Fried Sticky Rice. Empire's fried rices have always been a high point of the set meals I've had here before, and it was the case again tonight. They really know how to make good fried rice. The rice was of a good chewy consistency, with each individual grain separate but glutinous and not overly oily. This was fried with bits of dried shrimp, scallions, Chinese sausage, shiitake mushrooms and egg. If there's anything that would entice me to shell out the dough for dining at Empire, it's their fried rice.

The dessert though, was just plain Red Bean Soup. For a seafood set meal, this is a disappointing end. I never understood why high class restaurants choose to serve such an underwhelming item as a complimentary dessert. Dessert is the last item your guests enjoy, and I think it pays to give them something spectacular to end on a high note. Would it really hurt your bottom line to throw in something extra like tapioca pearls, or black glutinous rice, or coconut milk to jazz things up a bit? A lot of places also offer a choice of mango pudding or some other dessert, but we've always ended up with just plain red bean at Empire.

Overall, I'd say the dining experience at Empire is more or less the same as its competitors. Your plates get changed often, and staff are abundant. I think they do have above average decor though. You get a decorative plate underneath your utensil plate, and a nice velvet cloth napkin instead of paper. Their restaurant is also large and very well furnished. We walked in at 6:30 PM without a reservation, and was seated and served right away despite the restaurant looking busy and packed. I think Empire is a decent choice for affordable Chinese fine dining. It's not cheap, but doesn't totally break the bank either.

The meal today was a little less impressive than the last two we had here. Last times, the set meals included an awesome almost western style tangy Pork Rib Onion Stew, and very fragrant Yeung Chow Fried Rice with Taro. These weren't items you typically see on a competitor's menu and I thought they were both incredibly delightful to eat. I was hoping to see these again tonight, but we got a more typical serving of dishes instead.

Pros:
-very good fried rice dishes
-large and adequately staffed
-attentive service
-good decor

Cons:
-small seafood portions
-not cheap
-complimentary dessert could use some choice or pizazz for what you're paying

Notes:
-abundant free parking in mall complex

Congee Noodle House

A return to Congee Noodle House for me means the return to dragon boating. It's close to False Creek, open late, and serves Chinese comfort food at reasonable prices. A visit to Congee is always a likely destination for our team after a long night of paddling in the cold.

This is actually our second visit in as many weeks. Unfortunately, I was so hungry during the first visit that all the food was gone before I remembered to snap any pics.

Today, we started with the classic Preserved Egg and Shredded Pork Congee. With "congee" as part of their name, Congee Noodle House is proud of their congee and they sure know how to make it. It's always creamy, smooth and fluffy and doesn't need to be salted yourself. It's already mildly salted and topped with peanuts and scallions. There were good chunks of preserved/century eggs and shredded pork throughout.

A standard side dish with congee is the Chinese donut. This is a picece of fried dough and comes in a savory or sweet variety. The savory version is usually served as long strips, and the sweet version is normally shaped in an oval. These are also usually cut into chunks for dipping into the congee. Congee Noodle House makes great versions of both, and today, we got the savory Steamed Rice Roll with Chinese Donut. The rice rolls were embedded with dried shrimp and onions, and also comes drizzled in a mild soy sauce with hoisin dipping sauce on the side. This was very tasty as usual, and gobbled up quickly.


We continued the meal with the Honeymoon Fried Rice. This is a fried rice topped with a sweet and sour tomato onion and chicken sauce on one side, and a creamy shrimp and peas sauce on the other. This is also sometimes called Yin Yang Fried Rice, as the two sauces are layered in the same of the yin yang symbol. It's called honeymoon fried rice as well because it's a popular dish served during wedding reception dinners.

To me, the sweet and sour sauce makes or breaks this dish. I like the sauce on the sweeter side, and this version is quite mild. Congee's version is decent, but not great. I like the version served at Koon Lock the best. You can get a picture of their version at Chowtimes. You'll notice that Koon Lock didn't bother to pour their sauces in the shape of a yin yang despite their version actually being called yin yang fried rice on their menu.

To get our recommended fiber for the meal, we got a plate of Kai Lan and Beef. This wasn't on their menu, but is a common dish at Chinese restaurants and was made for us upon request. It's basically just strips of lean beef stir-fried in soy sauce with Kai Lan (Chinese Broccoli) and scallions. The beef was good, lean, tender not overcooked. The Kai Lan was good and crisp but I like mine tender and this was not the most tender that I've ever had. All in all, this was an enjoyable dish.


At this point, we had received everything we ordered, but was still hungry, so we got an order of Sliced Chicken with Green Pepper in Black Bean Sauce Chow Mein. Despite its name, it also had chunks of red peppers and onions. The chow mein was perfectly crispy, and part of what I love about chow mein is mxing the crunchy dry fried noodles with the sauce-soaked tender ones. The thick and savory black bean sauce worked very well for this effect and I enjoyed this dish very  much.

This meal of 4 costs us $12.50 each including tax and tip. Quite reasonable for good old fashioned Chinese comfort food. We left stuffed and satisfied, and I have no doubt I'll be eating at Congee again many times this year until it's too cold (for sane people) to paddle again. (Some might argue it's too cold to paddle now, but I'm steering and not getting wet :-P)

Pros:
-reasonable prices
-decent portions
-good value on set menu if you have a large party.
-huge restaurant with lots of large tables for large parties. 

Cons:
-not the prettiest decor, if that matters to you. 
-that damned parking lot: Almost always full, extremely difficult to maneuver, and accident prone.
-metered parking in adjacent streets, which are also almost always full, and in high traffic areas.

Notes:
-open late, with late night menu (smaller versions of regular menu items with smaller prices).
-free street parking in front of store if you are lucky to find a spot. Otherwise, prepare to pay meter or park a few blocks away.
-open late, but sometimes they run out of stuff like dessert :*(


Menus:

Rainbow Butterfly

I took by parents out for a belated Chinese new year dinner on Friday. They're in Coquiltlam and I'm in Vancouver, so it was difficult for me to get out to see them other than on the weekend. The selection of Chinese cuisine in the tri-cities area is pretty abysmal, but Rainbow seems to be one of the better ones. I first found it through Sherman's Food Adventures earlier this year, and have been back for dim sum and dinner several times since. They look to be a family run business, with some hired help.

Rainbow Butterfly isn't named like your typical Chinese restaurant, and doesn't look like one either. The place looks like it was a former western diner or coffee house of some sort, and it's clear that they didn't bother to redecorate much. This is probably because the Chinese population around Port Coquitlam is pretty scarce, and they cater to a lot of western clientele. If you ever come here for dim sum and dinner, you'll notice quite a larger demographic of non-asians than at your typical Chinese restaurant. Their menus are heavily based on Americanized Chinese food as a result, with lots of sweet and sour, chop suey, egg foo young, fortune cookies, and other crap like that. No self-respecting Chinese person orders this garbage for dinner.

They do have authentic Chinese cuisine, which I find delicious and well-priced, but they only bother to publish these on the menu in Chinese characters, which is a shame. This means I can only ever eat dinner here when I'm out with my parents or other Chinese literate people. Why they do this is beyond me. They're probably losing a great deal of business this way. It's also probably why their place is virtually deserted at dinner time, while packed beyond belief at lunch. Another odd thing to note is that despite some Chinese-only menu items, Some of their Chinese waitresses at lunch isn't fully Chinese literate!

Since I had my parents with me that night, I got to eat the good stuff! We ordered from their set meal, which comes with soup, a bucket of rice and dessert, with a minimum order of 2 menu items. We ordered 3 items, and was immediately served the soup of the day. It was a pork bone soup with veggies. There were bits of pork that fell of the bone, carrots, onions, and lotus root in the soup. This was mildly seasoned and a very nice way to start the meal.

The last time we were here, we had 3 hot pot dishes. They were all $10.80 and were HUGE. We though it was a great value and expected more of the same this time. Unfortunately, the first dish that we ordered, Cod Fillets with Gai Lan, was underwhelmingly small. As the most expensive dish we ordered that night, we were not impressed with the tiny amount of fish. The last time we were here, we had a cod and tofu hot pot, and it was cheaper at $10.80 and at least 3 times the size; a giant pot stuffed with cod , tofu, shitake mushrooms and Chinese ham.

Fortunately, it was made up for by the extremely tender gai lan and melt in your mouth fish. The dish was tossed in a lightly salted thin sauce. We griped quite a bit amongst ourselves about the disappointing portion  here, but agreed that it was very tasty. We wouldn't ever order this again, but at least it was enjoyable.

The second dish we had was also a bit of a disappointment. It was a vegetarian dish made up of Tofu and Bean curds with Veggies. I don't quite know how to translate it into English, so that's the only description you're going to get. Again, we expected more tofu and less veggies. It became clear immediately that we had ordered more veggies than we would have liked. Again, the tofu was a mild thin sauce and very appetizing, but the broccoli was less impressive than the gai lan we had earlier. Some of it was slightly bitter, and my dad thinks it's probably pesticide that should have been washed off. Yuck! That aside, I still enjoyed this dish.

The last dish to arrive was the eagerly awaited hot pot. We ordered this last time and was my favorite dish so we had to order it again: Chicken and Taro in Coconut Sauce Hot Pot. This was a huge pot overflowing with thin slices of taro and boneless, skinless chicken. Most places I've been to serve this with skin-on, bone-on chicken, and makes it a chore to eat. Rainbow's version is the best I've had, and a great deal at $10.80. The chicken and taro are stewed in a thick coconut sauce with large cloves of garlic, and slices of ginger. This was as delicious as I remembered. We couldn't finish all of it, and I ended up packing it home. I had some for lunch today, and will finish off the rest of dinner tonight. YUM!

To finish off the meal, we received the daily desert, which was Red Bean with Black Glutinous Rice Soup. Most places just give you plain red bean soup, and this version with black glutinous rice was very welcome, and successful. It was not overly sweet, and the rice added a nice pleasing chewy texture. It was a fine way to to end the meal.

The final bill is pictured here, so you Chinese literate people can see what we ordered. It was about $15 per person after tips, and I think it was reasonable. It was a little disappointing today, and we had a much better experience last time with all hot pot items, but I think that we will still return some time in the future.

I've also been here for dim sum before, and as I mentioned previously, it's always packed. Their dim sum items are quite reasonably priced at $2.75 for most items, and with a wide selection to boot. As their restaurant was originally designed as as western diner, they have little room for push carts, so dim sum is by order forms only. They also have some cheap lunch specials from Monday to Friday, but the fact that these prices were only for weekdays is noted in Chinese only. This led to quite a rude surprise when we got the bill. The price for some items increases by as much as $2 on weekends, and others no longer come with soup and rice. On week days, these are under $7 or $8 and quite a deal in my opinion.

Also of note is that when I first sat down on Friday, I started snapping pics of the menu while my parents perused the menu. One of the wait staff (looks to be the owner or owner's wife) saw me and immediately came over to ask me to stop. She made it clear she didn't want their menu posted anywhere, and I will respect her request. I took one of their handout pamphlets on the way out, and will post pics of this instead. Unfortunately, it looks a bit outdated, and not quite the same as the one we were given at the table. Hopefully it will give you an idea of what they serve here and the price ranges.

Pros:
-large portions on hot pot items
-decently priced
-cheap dim sum
-mostly well-executed food

Cons:
-lots of westernized Chinese food on menu
-doesn't look like a Chinese restaurant
-packed during dim sum hours, doesn't take reservations for lunch
-good dinner items are in Chinese only
-inconsistent portion sizes
-parking lot can be packed during lunch hours

Notes:
-street parking can be found about a block away
-have cheap weekday lunch specials

Menu: (owner requested for full menu to be omitted, so here is the take out menu/pamphlet)